WiFi Disconnects to order

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501Pete
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WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by 501Pete » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:13 pm

I've been extremely sceptical about the recommendation to update all firmware, regardless of whether it has changed or not.
After a discussion on FB, I decided to prove for myself that it makes no difference in what order you load firmware, or even if you load only one code set rather than all 3 (or 4 - no one seems to mention the TX firmware)
It makes no sense to me why anyone should overwrite code with identical code, to somehow magically make things work.
I'm pretty convinced this suggestion of updating everything has no technical basis.
So over the last 2 days I've tried upgrading and downgrading FC, Gimbal and Camera in every possible combination. I could NOT get the wifi to ever fail to connect or disconnect whilst in use.
I think this is pretty conclusive that Hubsan's suggestion does not hold water and is grasping at straws, and not addressing the real issue for Wifi disconnects.
Please feel free to prove me wrong, but I can just not get the quad to break with firmware updates, no matter how I do them...
What I did find however, was that I can force the quad at will, to cycle it's AP :o
I don't know if this is similar to issues others have had, but changing or loading firmware in any particular way will not fix it. I wonder what it could be :twisted:
Little video to demonstrate...


MrDronenut
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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by MrDronenut » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:42 pm

Ok. Here is what's happening. You either Do NOT have the remote on,or it is broken. You are showing no connection to the quad. No GPS reading,no height,no GPS,ECT.
Turn your remote on first,then the quad. After you see the blue lights on the remote go solid,connect the OTG cable. The quad is searching for the remote.

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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by MrDronenut » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:43 pm

Let me correct myself. You are showing height and yaw.

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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by Bellerophon » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 am

I'm willing to bet 90% of all WiFi issues are related to not updating the camera firmware after updating the Flight Control firmware. The issue is that after the FC firmware is updated, it then polls the micro sd card looking for the camera update files. When this occurs it causes WiFi dropouts. That is what the Hubsan engineers say at least. Also I can speak from experience in that after I confirmed the camera firmware update, my disconnect problems went away.

Others may have hardware problems, ot other things that cause their WiFi dropouts, or failures. I'm simply relating my experience.

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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by 501Pete » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:24 am

MrDronenut wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:42 pm
Ok. Here is what's happening. You either Do NOT have the remote on,or it is broken.
No the remote is on. It is not broken. I have had 50+ flights and never a single wifi disconnect.
The Zino or the controller has no issue.
MrDronenut wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:42 pm
You are showing no connection to the quad. No GPS reading,no height,no GPS,ECT.
Turn your remote on first,then the quad. After you see the blue lights on the remote go solid,connect the OTG cable. The quad is searching for the remote.
There is no GPS position because:
a. I'm indoors and unable to acquire.
b. If it was showing, I'd have greyed it out :o

Connecting method is unrelated. The "system" connects up reliably and without any issue.
This demo is to debunk the theory that you need to update the camera firmware with EXACTLY THE SAME firmware again, to make it work.
You do not, because I can make the quad go into this cycle at the drop of a hat, if I so desire. (it does actually have a use as a tester).
I know exactly how to invoke it, and how to stop it.
The purpose of the video is a. to debunk the FW theory, and b. move people on to looking for the real cause.
I'll publish how to do this in my forthcoming "ZINO hints and tips manual", probably priced at around $50 :lol:
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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by 501Pete » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:30 am

Bellerophon wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 am
I'm willing to bet 90% of all WiFi issues are related to not updating the camera firmware after updating the Flight Control firmware. The issue is that after the FC firmware is updated, it then polls the micro sd card looking for the camera update files. When this occurs it causes WiFi dropouts. That is what the Hubsan engineers say at least. Also I can speak from experience in that after I confirmed the camera firmware update, my disconnect problems went away.

Others may have hardware problems, ot other things that cause their WiFi dropouts, or failures. I'm simply relating my experience.
Afraid not.
This was to prove that camera updating is irrelevant.
I know what does this. The firmware is irrelevant, which is what I was trying to debunk.
The quad is fine by the way. Very reliable and zero dropouts in 50+ flights :D

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Re: WiFi Disconnects to order

Post by kenman » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:57 pm

I did the initial updates ( cam, gimbal, FC) when they first released them. When the FC 46 came out, I just updated the drone, nothing else, haven't had any problems connecting or holding wifi... have only flown out about 600-700m, but connection remained strong throughout all of my flights.
Weather has been pretty shity here, so I've only had about 10-12 flights, but all were good with no connection problems.... wondering if some people are having phone issues... just a thought... I'm using a cheap J3 Samsung phone!!!!

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